2008.09.18. ダイノジ嵐について熱く語る★
lols..
Found this clip on Tracey san's post. Thank you for sharing. I loved it.Dienoji Ohtani san talks about Arashi based on his experiences from HnA filming, and much beyond.
His analysis very acculate and funny at the same time a little chilly for dreamers.
I rushed transcribing because I highly recomend this clip (笑) and wish many of you to see it.
So please do use your imagination to make up my poor translation.
Thank you again Tracey for guiding us to it.
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(Don’t they call everybody by “~kun”, in Johnny’s?)
That’s the Johnny’s rule. I as a Yoshimoto-geinin would like to draw a line.
As a member, I’d like to call them by Mr.
(As a member?!)
As a member of Arashi myself.
(sneer)
<0:30>
I’ve always liked Mr. Ninomiya.
Ninomiya-san was great in the old movie called Ao no something.
This guy is weird, there’s something about him.
I said talked about it on my radio program at that time, and received many telltale mails,
about how strange that guy was.
For instance he was picking his nose behind Tamori-san on Music Station.
He’s doing it on purpose knowing he is an idol.
As us comedians, idol is a collaborated fabrication.
Does it matter as long as it is exciting? Whether it is real or fake.
The atmosphere is collaborated by the audience and us, so it is a collaborated fabrication.
Idol is alright to be nothing but fake.
I used to think it was cool to reveal the lie.
But that was immature.
So what it is a lie. As long as that atmosphere, is real.
<2:40>
Mr. Ninomiya was on Jonetsu Tairiku. There he said, “Idols are great. They can totally read the atmosphere. They understand what is asked of them in a second.”
How enlightened. Compared to Mr. Ninomiya what was I? Not at all understanding.
Until then, just playing pretence was the history of Johnny’s, but Arashi along with Nino are knowingly acting as they do what would be funny.
<3:10>
I was on Himitsu no Arashichan as a ghost story teller.
Leader is a man of a super degree. Emotionless like Warsman
He does not get upset at all.
We scared the pants off them, but he wouldn’t get scared.
We tried to scare him with ghosts and spirits but we couldn’t shake him.
Then the drama he is starring is Maou, isn’t that something. Surely we can’t scare him with ghosts and spirits, he’s the one who controls them.
The balance is amazing.
I spoke a lot with Arashi fans. There’s the prince now you know. Mr. Matsujun.
By the way, guys in the audience may be getting bored but I want you guys to pay attention too. Arashi is really great, their albums and such.
Mr. Matsujun knows what’s going on. Mr. Matsujun used to be, as a Jr., a baka-chara.
He was doing the part Mr. Aiba is taking currently.
(Snicker)
I want to talk about Mr. Aiba too. This is going to be a long lecture. However, Mr. Matsujun is the prince now.
I heard Mr. Matsujun comes in one hour earlier than the rest of them.
He needs to bring his character up before the take.
He knows what he is expected of. Because he knows his position, he completes his role as is.
<5:00>
During their Jr. time, Mr. Sakurai was assuming Mr. Matsujun’s position. But Mr. Sakurai is sugoi you know. His parent went to Tokyo University or something. He’s brilliant. So, he brought his position up to where he is. But I think he did it under the influence of Mr.Ninomiya. Everyone was influenced by Mr. Ninomiya.
Finally the leader who is like Warsman I mentioned before.
There were no such leaders previously. Leaders are usually like Tokio’s Matsuoka kun. (With a pompadour on his head) Yeah. Leaders are like that. Like a little silly and capricious but everyone counts on him.
Not so. That one is not so at all.
He is like undisturbed. He is extraordinary like that. But he has his own world. And he watches over the others from one step behind.
(Those are the dispositions of the leaders. That must be why he became the leader isn’t that?)
No but there are not too many leaders like that in Japan. They usually walk ahead.
What is great about SMAP is that the leader used to be a Yankee (delinquent youths). Yankee has a constant marketing share. It’s a huge Japanese culture. Where there is a Yankee it sells well.
<6:40>
But Arashi doesn’t have a Yankee.
According to my study… (What? Is this a thesis presentation?)
A monster group like SMAP was made possible by the innocent character, Katori-kun.
V6 looked like they could make it but they didn’t have one.
<7:15>
Arashi has Aiba-kun.
(Don’t you mean Mr. Aiba?)
No, he is more of a comedian.
He is innocent.
With that ghost thing he reacted better than comedians.
Is it today? I’m on their show two weeks in a row.
This week’s was a costly production. There’s going to be zombies chasing after them at the end, coming out of a pond. It took a whole day to prepare. It was like a movie filming.
<8:20>
Aiba-kun’s reaction was really great. His “Gya~~” would score perfect as a comedian.
He was shouting like “Honto Yada!” then the stray dogs started to howl outside.
He is innocent. He easily cries and laughs.
(They all have totally different characters then.)
Yeah, but if you think about it, it can be taken as they are making them up. You know?
They all know what they are asked of and are composing their characters maybe.
<9:05>
It’s a beautiful pentagon. Perfectly balanced. So you get drawn to them.
Their concert is great too. They know what people want.
The five of them usually seem cool but not in their live concerts. They’d instigate the crowds like “Is that all you’ve got?”
They choose the best words for the time and space.
(So they know what people want)
Yes. So you can learn so much from them.
Comments
Its interesting how he talked about them swapping roles from junior to now.. 'idol' is a construct.. isn't it?
Thank you~! I learnt a lot.
i really love that clip, he's talking so fast like.. in hyper mode/fangirling/fanboying mode XDD
i'm not agree with his statement that arashi is group with fakes personalities, coz i enjoy arashi show till now because of their naturalness and not overreacting like other comedian or johnnys idol.
but his theory about yankee is soo good, he mention about ayumi too XD.
i thought he said "boozu-man" XD
btw, Warsman in wiki...
He typically has no facial expression, but when he faces a formidable opponent a creepy smile known as the Warsman Smile (ウォーズマンスマイル, Warsman Smile?) appears on his face.
HAHAHAHA
And I like how he mentioned each member's habit or character ^^
i have to say, reading this made me quite sad. as idols, they could be altering their personalities to fit what the fans like all the time. theres no way we could really know the true them.
this hasnt been the first time ive felt sorry for them that theyre idols. i often worry that their hiding their real selves. i know from experience that sometimes if you pretend enough, you become what you pretend to be. i sometimes feel guilty because im one of the fans their trying to make happy.
ok, enough sadness. i really am glad that Ohtani-san liked Arashi and was talking kindly about them. im really proud of all of Arashi.
*claps*
I agree with Emi-chan. I really believed that Arashi is who they are and they are not acting a part or a role in the group. However, I admit with the man their undying beautiful charisma and personality really drawns you to them.
I appreciate his view though. It's nice to see a man try to analyze Arashi and still end up liking them and appreciating them as good entertainers.
that's why i like arashi! >.<
本当に♪申し訳♪ありませんでしたっ♪
Thanks for your kind words. Looking forward to collaborating again!
Risuchan, Emichan, Mymelody5chan, and everybodyelse who noticed my obsession here about what is real, I want to apologize for one-sidedly justifying the point of view that Arashi are produced characters. It may not be true at all.
Also we should not forget that we all make up our personalities to match others' expectations. So we need not to feel sorry for idols for doing so.
Truth usually lies between the two opposites. So, they may know what we expect of them and act accordingly, but that may have become what they truly are. We are all made up by the people who surround us. In other words we all are collaborated fabrications. (Otherwise, we would not need a word like "KY")
Please don't feel down because of silly me and Ohtani san. His thesis is pointless before your love!
By the way the comparision between Riida as Warsman was hilarious! XD
Thanks a lot for the translation!
wow i really want to watch himitsu with subs after reading this!
Thanks for the translations
I love hearing direct from people how they think OHNO HAS HIS OWN WORLD. HAHA! True, Ohno with a pompadour??? That'd be funny to see if he does it. :)
And so funny that the one who wracked up the most points was to be the one who influences them all.
Thanks for the translation!!!!!
"Then the drama he is starring is Maou, isn’t that something. Surely we can’t scare him with ghosts and spirits, he’s the one who controls them."
I was really laughing when I've read this. so true! I wonder what Ohno's scared of.
Thank you for the translation. I really learned a lot.
btw, I followed palmandgo's link of your vox. ^___^
Thanks for translating! I saw the clip and didn't understant much b/c he was talking soo fast. ^^;
Everyone who works with Arashi has nothing but good things to say about them. Makes me proud to be their fan. ^_^
Hi mikyuko-san, really enjoyed reading this, humorous but also insightful... thanks for translating!
I've added you, hope it's alright.
this is really interesting, expecially for us as fans..
thank you for translating!
ah, miky-chan, thank you. ive thought of this stuff before, its just that it brought it to the front of my mind.
sorry for replying so late!
Hmm..... actually I'm not agree if we should get dissapointed/blame Arashi, even if it's true that they "playing a role". People may say like that, even Arashi themselves can say like that, but there's no such things as "absolutely real personalities" . Nino, (yes I'm talking to you) As humans we automatically respond to our surroundings differently, but what makes those differences? Duh, our PERSONALITY itself! The thought of making fans happy by touching your leader's butt appears because it was YOUR personality, honestly Tegoshi walks gayer than you but he never touch Massu's butt to make us happy, instead as soon as he got his teeth fixed he started to laugh wide and twirl his tongue confidently, rather than being a shy Tegoshi he used to, but that's what puberty is all about. From background dancer to lead singer. Oh-oh, his made-up role is already changed! Poor Massu because he's still the same dork with the same smile and even same hairstyle. Then Ohtani will say, wonder when he'll get promoted to replace Yamapi's role as the prince? Comparing MatsuJun in his Jr era and 25 years old wholesome male MatsuJun.......... (hello......???) . Hmm... People said 10 years ago I was a shy kid who hates boys...... Wonder why I drool over Ohno's pics everyday now. Oh I GET IT! MY ROLE HAS CHANGED!!!
Gaahhhh....... sorry........... for ranting so unclear...I mean... If ones can be the same/consistent personalities for years (and imagine how media exposed it from time to time), that means those personalities are real. It's just that when they said that it's not, well... they just wants to believe that they're actually someone else...because they tired of themselves. It happens to all of us, right? Basically, we have many sides within us. For example, sometimes we act like dork but there's time when we need to be emo, then we're gonna say that "actually I'm not that dork, sometimes I feel blablabla", but after we end our emo session, we're back as a dork. The we're tired at how people treat us like dork, then we emo again. Then which one our 'real' personalities?
We all respond to how our surroundings expected us to be, right? It's so human and normal, the idols only emphasize it because millions eyes are watching them. It's tiring, but if they can't stand it, they can just dissapear. Lots of idols do. But Arashi don't do it right? They'll ask for our support, and we did. What should we feel sorry about?
what makes me feel sorry for the idols, is that people want to believe they're fake. Then they'll believe it.
Furthermore... if you think that Arashi's personalities are so fake, well.... Ohno (yeah the 'emotionless' one) shouted at the fans "urusee!!" and snapped "Baka!" at the accupressure sensei. Then I feel sorry for Ohno, because some people who's less nice than Ohtani-san will say "See? He snapped. I believe his emotionless image is all made up"
I don't know... I want to believe that Ohtani being nice, but... yeah well... think positively is better though. ^^
just felt the need to comment..
first off, thank you for your translations
and second i now love Dienoji Ohtani(don't even know the guy). I just kept nodding my head the entire time that i was reading this. There's no better way to put Arashi in words that how he said it (or maybe how you translated it.. hmm). This is like a whole recap of arashi's 10 years. A bit cynical yes but never biased. I sincerely believe that's there's a bit of truth (if not more) to everything he said.
*may i ask what episode of HnA he is in? and how come he knows so much of arashi?